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I wonder why there is never a “Moonscape” in the background. It is always black like the view is looking out over the curvature of the moon. One would think that there has got to be hills and rises in the background landscape caused by craters and Highlands but there is nothing even when there IS sunlight. I wonder why, after all that supposedly walked on the moon, Why they never took pictures of distant landscapes in an alien world?!
You really haven’t looked at much Apollo footage or photographs, have you? Yet YOU ARE AN EXPERT! LOL
There are a lot of pictures taken on the Moon that show hills and mountains. Google “apollo 15 hadley rille”.
For example, take a look at this picture:
There are thousands of Apollo photographs like that one that people rarely see because the media tends to only publish the same few popular photographs.
In order to really see the curvature of the Moon you’d have to look at photographs taken from the Command Module in lunar orbit. Google “earthrise” for a good example.
The reality is this……10-15 percent of people understand the truth of our government cover-ups, military psyops and the criminal actions of the CIA and FBI…….The rest of this country are sheep……Simply a product of brain washing, inferior education and inability to think logically……..
Anyone who thinks we landed on the moon has the reasoning skills of a child…….It wont matter what facts you present to them, they could not comprehend it due to the state of their mind…….The government knows this……Hence 9-11…….It will only get worse from here…..This country is becoming so dumbed down, its embarrassing to be an American…….People are more concerned about what entertainers are doing and defending their own political party, which is just as corrupt as the other ones……
Hey America……Turn off your TV……Read a book……Think for yourselves……Stop being sheep…….bahhhhhhh…….lol Read 1984……Use your brain……Question authority………wake up……..
I agree with you whole-heartedly. This country is doomed. The level of ignorance in this country boggles my mind.
I Am A Moo Not A Sheep I Do Days & Days Of Research ….The Moon Landings NOT!!!!!!!! Hocus Pocus Crapola!!!!!!!!!
9/11 Was Government Terrorists George W. Bush Was Escorting Bin Ladens Family Out Of USA ON 9/11 Hmm Such Ugly Webs Of Lies Our Government Weaves I Hope They ALL Poof Off The Planet
I believe that astronauts acutally landed on the moon and walked there.
There were too many people involved in send astronauts up to the moon and landing them there. If it was a hoax, one of these people would have come out by now and said publicly that it WAS a hoax. Nobody can stay silent that long, especially if there are large amounts of money to be had for telling the truth.
There were too many people involved to make this work – possibly in the thousands. You can’t keep that many people quiet if it was a hoax.
Anonymity & Getting Lots Of Money To Keep Quiet Money Is The ROOT OF ALL EVIL MOO
As a newbie to this subject I thank everyone for their fascinating posts. Armed with this new knowledge, I am thrilled at the prospect of how many people I can really piss off.
The points that particularly intrigued me were:
1. the solar flare fx on astronauts and the basic shielding required.
2. Russia giving up developing a one man lunar landing project yet America proceeded with a three man crew and the kitchen sink.
3. the Only in America Folks! aspects of all conspiracy theory the high fatal accident rate of astronauts, Alldrin’s breaking down episodes, NASA,s administrator resignation and the loss/destruction? of all ML deevelopment material.
4. Stargazers excellent unique post and the tiny yet utterly significant detail of the film manufacturer not exploiting his products moon landing contribution.
Again many thanks to all who contributed to both sides of the discussion.
you forgot to mention the 5 miles deep radioactive belt around the moon,you would need a ship with shielding of 6 feet of lead to get through it alive. when russia found this out they cancelled all work to land on moon as its not humanly possible. if you made a ship out of lead 6 feet thick the lead would molten on impact with earths atmosphere.
“five miles deep radiation belt?” Please. You can’t have any such thing without a magnetic field, and it’s fact that the Moon has none.
Wow. You like to just make up your own “facts”, don’t you.? Nothing you said is even remotely true.
Just a few observations:
1) The onus is on NASA to refute each and every argument challenging the moon landings. This may seem strange, but the logic is quite clear: I can make a dozen arguments arguing that NASA never put a man on Mars. Even if eleven of those twelve arguments are false – only one correct one is sufficient to demonstrate that NASA did not put a man on Mars.
The same principle holds true of the moon landings.
2) There is a tendency of those defending NASA to use ad-hominem or ad-personam attacks; those questioning NASA tend to be more polite. It seems that the former are somewhat insecure.
3) A question that continues to puzzle me: why didn’t the Soviets put a person on the moon? Even if the Americans had put the first man on the moon, the Soviets could have had the glory of putting the first woman on it.
4) Final point: there are two distinct points that need to be proved:
a) Whether NASA could land a man on the moon in 1969.
b) Whether NASA did land a man on the moon in 1969.
b) presupposes a) – but proving a) does not prove b).
I suppose this post is rather boring… sorry for taking your time.
“The onus is on NASA to refute each and every argument challenging the moon landings.”
Ummm, no, it isn’t. By your logic, if I accuse you of murder it is up to you to prove your innocence. That’s not how it works in a fair society. We believe in ‘innocent until proven guilty’, not ‘guilty until proven innocent’.
NASA has provided a ton of proof that they went to the Moon. If you accuse them of faking the whole thing then it is up to you to prove it.
“This may seem strange, but the logic is quite clear: I can make a dozen arguments arguing that NASA never put a man on Mars. Even if eleven of those twelve arguments are false – only one correct one is sufficient to demonstrate that NASA did not put a man on Mars.”
So if I make a dozen arguments that you murdered someone, and you are not able to show that every single one of those arguments is wrong, then you must be guilty. Right?
What, you don’t have any witnesses to your whereabouts on the night of the murder? You were alone? Gee… you sound guilty to me.
“There is a tendency of those defending NASA to use ad-hominem or ad-personam attacks; those questioning NASA tend to be more polite.”
I think you’ve got things backwards. There was a comment made just a few posts above yours by someone named John Robinson in which he called everyone who believes the Moon landings really happened “sheep”, and accused us of having the reasoning capability of children. And this is just one example.
“A question that continues to puzzle me: why didn’t the Soviets put a person on the moon?”
Because their N-1 Moon rocket had the tendency of going “BOOM!” and they couldn’t figure out how to fix it in time to beat the US.
“Even if the Americans had put the first man on the moon, the Soviets could have had the glory of putting the first woman on it.”
At great expense. It hardly seems worth it to nearly bankrupt your economy just to come in second.
The Soviets reaction to losing the race was to claim they weren’t even trying. We know that is false.
“Final point: there are two distinct points that need to be proved:
a) Whether NASA could land a man on the moon in 1969.”
There is no reason why they couldn’t. Hoax believers tend to paint the 1960s as some kind of technological stone age, but it wasn’t.
“b) Whether NASA did land a man on the moon in 1969.”
The evidence overwhelmingly supports their claim that they did. Therefore, there is no reason for me to believe they faked it.
“1) The onus is on NASA to refute each and every argument challenging the moon landings.”
That is exactly backwards. NASA has already presented all the evidence it needs to: physical samples from the lunar surface, data from the science packages left on the surface, miles of telemetry, video, film, and still photographs from the surface and from orbit, science results from multiple Earth-bound labs that analyzed the samples and science data, mission reports, first-person accounts from astronauts and engineers, etc., etc., etc.
The onus is on the people claiming that all of the above is the result of an elaborate hoax. If the lunar samples are fake, *you* must demonstrate how and why they are fakes, and why all of the scientific results deriving from those samples are invalid. Were the samples created synthetically in a lab? Were they dug up from somehwere on Earth? How can you prove that they *didn’t* come from the Lunar surface? Those are the kinds of questions *you* have to answer to prove that the program was a hoax.
If all the film and video was shot on a sound stage in the desert instead of on the Moon, *you* have to show the evidence for the existance that sound stage *and* that all the published film, video, and still photos were taken on that stage. Are there images that were taken from “backstage”? How did they simulate 1/6 Earth normal gravity? Did they evacuate all the air from the stage to keep the dust from floating after it was kicked up? Again, that’s the kind of counter-evidence *you* have to present to seriously challenge what NASA has already presented.
If the photos are doctored, *you* have to demonstrate how they were doctored by finding undoctored originals. If the mission reports are all made up, *you* have to show why that’s the case.
“A question that continues to puzzle me: why didn’t the Soviets put a person on the moon? Even if the Americans had put the first man on the moon, the Soviets could have had the glory of putting the first woman on it.”
It wasn’t for lack of trying; the Soviets did have an active manned lunar program in the 1960s. Unfortunately, the N1 booster (Soviet equivalent of the Saturn V) never achieved orbit. Instead of building a few really big, really powerful engines like the F-1, they clustered something like 30 smaller NK-33 engines together. The end result was complex, fragile, and unstable, and never worked.
Once the Americans succeeded, the justification for the Soviet manned lunar program evaporated (it *was* a race, and the Soviets lost; the first woman would have been *at best* the third human being to walk on the moon, and at the time that’s all anyone cared about).
We also have to remember that the Soviet government was dysfunctional *at its best*, and was somewhat capricious as far as the space race was concerned. I’m convinced that the only reason Apollo succeeded was that the engineering was allowed to trump politics (a mistake Congress has vowed never to repeat, which is why we’ve been tooling around in LEO for the last 35 years). The Soviet approach to engineering (and biology, and farming, and just about everything else) was that ideology trumped all other considerations, with unfortunate results.
i find it somewhat amusing that Joe says he wouldn’t be surprised if we were all 40 yr olds living with our mother’s. I’m17, and a girl & I still believe that we didn’t land on the moon and that 9/11 was an inside job. It’s called NOT being an idiot. Idiot’s believe everything they hear, even if it’s obvious that the moon landing was faked and that the destruction of the twin towers and tower 7 we’re obviously planned demolitions, now shut up & get a damn education.
You may not be an idiot, but you are gullible. Instead of believing the foolishness you read on websites like this, get thee to a library.
Go to the beach. Sit your mum under a beach unbrella. Despite being in ALL THAT SHADE, she is clearly illuminated! How can that be?! Because all that sunlight being reflected off the beach sand is going somewhere, and that somewhere is to illuminate your mummy.
And so on and so forth.
i think you need to sort out your sick head sicko-1 twin towers was not a demolition job unless your a terrorist which to me sounds you are. 2 your correct there was no moon landing,a further update is that area 51 roswell is the base of the fake moon landing in 1969 and not where aliens landed. aliens would look just like us an not green big eyed things that people have been made to believe look like.
Judging by your spelling and grammar, your calls for others to get an education are, shall we say, misplaced? Or perhaps proper spelling and grammar are another way for conformity to be enforced upon the sheeple?
Hoax fans neglect to consider how many governments, their spies and their telescopes were monitoring those flights; in addition to 99% of the telescopes located in astronomy centers across the Earth? The “Cold War” was at its peak, so you can be certain the Soviets and Red China would have been THRILLED to catch the USA “faking anything” so monumental? Plus, as others have mentioned there were “many thousands” of people involved in Florida, Houston, as well as Military bases and vessels… from too many countries?
I am “beyond skeptical” when it comes to our government. But, not at all regarding the Moon landings… no way.
moonwalk fans neglect to realize that none of the telescopes or radio equipment could monitor the spacecraft once it was outside of high orbit. All radio transmission was relayed between earth and the astronauts via a module that was placed close enough to the moon to relay transmissions from the moon. There isn’t a damn thing that shows where the astronauts transmission came from before it hit the relay module. They could have been on the earth side of the module for all we know since we couldn’t track them with our telescopes. We didn’t and still don’t have anything earthbound that sees that far with that tight of a resolution.
As for other governments and the cold war… Russia DIDN’T think we went. To this day only a minority of their population knows about the lunar program and of that minority, over 20% believe it didn’t happen. Cuba actually teaches in their schools that the U.S. faked the landings. There is a huge population outside of the U.S. that doesn’t believe we went, but U.S. citizens are too ignorant of the rest of the world to realize that. If the rest of the worlds scientists and astronomers believed we went to the moon they would have designed a lunar module after our own instead of trying to make their own lunar modules… eta on the soonest one to be built is China in 2025. U.S. may be able to make one by 2028. huh… that seems odd doesn’t it? You’d think at the very LEAST they could build one in the 6 years it took them back in the ’60s.
Exceptional points. Look forward to reading more soon. Nice to see you are not content to be a mindless unthinking sheep in the flock. Remember that independent logical thinking threatens members of the flock. Please read some of my Hub pages if you have the time (Stendek). Peace.
“All radio transmission was relayed between earth and the astronauts via a module that was placed close enough to the moon to relay transmissions from the moon. We didn’t and still don’t have anything earthbound that sees that far with that tight of a resolution.”
What “module” are you speaking of? Some nonexistant lunar communication satellite?
Also, you obviously do not know a lot regarding radio, especially where it concerns RF propagation and focus via parabolic dish antennae. And radio telescopes had been in use for some time when the landings took place.
“moonwalk fans neglect to realize that none of the telescopes or radio equipment could monitor the spacecraft once it was outside of high orbit.”
Why not? What makes radio communications impossible beyond Earth orbit? And if that is true then why is it possible to communicate with other satellites and space probes? The Voyager 1 probe is 17.5 billion kilometers from Earth and we’re still able to communicate with it.
“All radio transmission was relayed between earth and the astronauts via a module that was placed close enough to the moon to relay transmissions from the moon.”
Why is it possible to communicate with your alleged ‘relay modules’ but not with manned Apollo spacecraft? What is the difference technology wise?
“There isn’t a damn thing that shows where the astronauts transmission came from before it hit the relay module.”
Completely false. If the astronauts had really been on Earth, as you say, then there would have been longer delays in the communications.
If the astronauts were on the Moon the radio delay would be about 2.6 seconds. Let’s say Houston asked Neil Armstrong a question, this is how long it would take to get a response from the Moon:
Houston -> Moon = 1.2 seconds
Moon -> Houston = 1.2 seconds
Total Delay = 2.4 seconds
Now let’s pretend Neil Armstrong was actually on Earth in a secret location like Area 51. This is how long it would take for a response to a question from Houston if the radio signal was being relayed like you suggest:
Houston -> Moon = 1.2 seconds
Moon -> Area 51 = 1.2 seconds
Area 51 -> Moon = 1.2 seconds
Moon -> Houston = 1.2 seconds
Total Delay = 4.8 seconds
So this shows that relaying signals would create a huge delay that would be obvious to anyone listening in. If there is only a 2.4 second delay as expected then the signal must really original from the Moon.
It is also possible to track the point of origin and the movement of the source of a radio signal.
If the signal originated from low Earth orbit it would take 90 minutes to orbit the Earth, and that would be very obvious to anyone listening in. If the signal was originating from the Moon the only way that would be possible is if it was at the Moon. You can’t fake that.
“We didn’t and still don’t have anything earthbound that sees that far with that tight of a resolution.”
Not visually, but like I said, you could track the radio signals. Amateur HAM radio operators were able to track the Apollo spacecraft and listen to their transmissions. If they could do it then so could the Soviets.
“As for other governments and the cold war… Russia DIDN’T think we went.”
That is 100% untrue. The Russians have never denied that Apollo went to the Moon. They even warned NASA about a lunar probe they had launched the day before Apollo 11 launched just in case there was a risk of a collision.
Don’t you think the Russians would have made a big deal out of the United States faking the Moon landings? It would have been extremely damaging to America’s reputation and there is no way the Russians would have kept quiet about it.
And if the Russians were in on it, what was the point of faking it in the first place? The hoax theory makes absolutely no sense at all. “We had to fool the Russians but the Russians were in on it.” Yeah… okay. Whatever.
“To this day only a minority of their population knows about the lunar program and of that minority, over 20% believe it didn’t happen.”
What people believe or have knowledge of has nothing to do with what the truth is. The truth is not determined by polls or votes.
“Cuba actually teaches in their schools that the U.S. faked the landings.”
Gee… an enemy of the United States teaches their citizens something untrue about them. How shocking and unexpected! But how does it prove the Moon landings were faked? Is Fidel Castro an expert on space travel now?
“There is a huge population outside of the U.S. that doesn’t believe we went, but U.S. citizens are too ignorant of the rest of the world to realize that.”
Like I said, what people believe has nothing to do with the truth. If everyone believed in the Tooth Fairy it wouldn’t make it true.
“If the rest of the worlds scientists and astronomers believed we went to the moon they would have designed a lunar module after our own instead of trying to make their own lunar modules… eta on the soonest one to be built is China in 2025.”
Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Whatever. Just because something is possible doesn’t mean people are going to do it. Going to the Moon is extremely expensive and a lot of people believe there is little to gain from it.
“U.S. may be able to make one by 2028. huh… that seems odd doesn’t it? You’d think at the very LEAST they could build one in the 6 years it took them back in the ’60s.”
In the 1960s NASA had a much larger budget than they do now. It’s amazing what is possible when you throw enough money at it.
Exceptional site. Sorry I have not noticed it before now. I am a conspiracist. I was an investigative reporter for decades before eyesight failed.
Never thought much about fake moon landing until Edwin Aldrin sucker punched an American citizen in an unprovoked attack then received a pat on the back from corrupt American legal system.
Foolishly accepted NASA claims on faith alone. I was naive teenager in 1969. Actions by this astro-not caused me to examine possibility that the moon landings were just flights of fancy.
My focus went from federal government sponsored domestic assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lennon) and 911 official fantasy (federal government sanctioned 911 report pure fiction paid for by wasted tax dollars) to moon. All pseudo scientific balderdash compiled by folks with personal agendas.
No Elizabeth, Americans never landed on the moon. Astro-nots under secrecy oaths. Many citizens/astro-nots who did blow whistle or attempt to do so are in final resting places (http://hubpages.com/hub/NASA-Mirder-On-Pad-34).
Reason for hoax? Suppose president proclaimed that USA WOULD land on moon when though technology was not available at that time (as now) to do so? Delay at first. Then thoughts of unaccounted billions of taxpayer dollars for project magically overcome technology problem. Many hoaxes can be and have been staged for a lot less money!
Know what really bothers me? Rest of world already knows NASA and astro-nots like old sucker punch presented a piece of wood to the Dutch people as a genuine moon rock (http://hubpages.com/hub/NASA-Moon-Hoax-Exposed-With-Commentary).
This is fully verified. Why has NASA never been brought to task for this national disgrace? Where is the accountability? Righteous indignation? Oh well. Thanks again for forum. Peace.
“Never thought much about fake moon landing until Edwin Aldrin sucker punched an American citizen in an unprovoked attack then received a pat on the back from corrupt American legal system.”
You obviously don’t know the full story. Let me educate you.
The “American citizen” you speak of is Bart Sibrel, the man responsible for the deceptive documentary “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon”.
Bart Sibrel has a long documented history of stalking and harassing the Apollo astronauts. He even released a DVD showing his encounters with the astronauts. He pounces on them at grocery stores, knocks on the hotel room doors at all hours, and trespasses on their private property. His behaviour is criminal.
In the case you are referring to, he lured Buzz Aldrin to a hotel by posing as a TV interviewer. Once it was revealed that the interview was really just a deception Aldrin tried to leave, but Bart Sibrel blocked his path, poked him repeatedly with a bible, and verbally harassed him for 10-15 minutes.
If you trap someone and constantly provoke them eventually they are going to become angry and strike back. The court dropped the assault charges against Aldrin because they considered it a provoked attack.
“Many citizens/astro-nots who did blow whistle or attempt to do so are in final resting places (http://hubpages.com/hub/NASA-Mirder-On-Pad-34).”
Now, I’m not a murderer, so I could be wrong… but it doesn’t seem to make sense to me to kill three astronauts in such a way that it attracts the attention of the news media, the public, and the US Congress who controls your budget.
The Apollo program was almost cancelled because of the Apollo 1 fire, and that would have been counter productive to NASAs goals and a huge hit to their cash flow. Right?
“Reason for hoax? Suppose president proclaimed that USA WOULD land on moon when though technology was not available at that time (as now) to do so? Delay at first.”
And what evidence is there that any of this is true? What is the obstacle that makes going to the Moon impossible?
“Then thoughts of unaccounted billions of taxpayer dollars for project magically overcome technology problem.”
Every dollar spent by NASA was accounted for. There is nothing magical about the technology, it’s all very well understood by anyone with a related education.
“Many hoaxes can be and have been staged for a lot less money!”
I completely disagree in this case. A faked Moon program would have been more expensive than the real thing.
First of all, you still have to make the rockets and spacecraft. People watched the rockets launch, people saw video of astronauts floating weightless in space and doing spacewalks. We know the technology was real, and that the technology had to be paid for.
Second, you have to bribe a lot of people to go along with the hoax… forever. You can’t just fake the Moon landings and then forget about it, you have to maintain the hoax for the rest of time or someone will discover it. So that means bribery would have to be an ongoing expense, whereas the real Apollo program was done and paid for decades ago.
“Know what really bothers me? Rest of world already knows NASA and astro-nots like old sucker punch presented a piece of wood to the Dutch people as a genuine moon rock (http://hubpages.com/hub/NASA-Moon-Hoax-Exposed-With-Commentary).”
There is a long discussion about this in my forum:
The petrified wood was presented to the former Dutch Prime Minister at an event attended by the Apollo 11 astronauts, but it was not the astronauts who gave it to him. It was presented by the US ambassador at the time.
It was also never claimed to be a Moon rock. NASA had not even begun sharing it’s rocks at that time… it wasn’t until sometime in the mid-1970s after all of the Apollo landings were completed that NASA began loaning out Moon rocks or gifting them to other countries.
So no, it’s not a Moon rock, and it never was claimed to be. Maybe someone misunderstood what it was, but there was no deception on NASAs part.
“Why has NASA never been brought to task for this national disgrace?”
Because the only people who consider it a national disgrace are people like you who don’t know the whole story.
I dont care much for these conspiracies. Not that i dont belive that they faked it. But that their is more important stuff then this like 9/11
Hey, i think that these forums are awesome. and so far no one has shunned me for my theories like other forums so heres what i think about the moon landing:
i didnt believe for one minute that planets were real when i was a child – how the hell does something that big just stay in the sky???? i think that the moon is just a giant camera manufactured by the US government to spy on the russians during the cold war. unfortunatly the Russians suspected this and the race to the moon began. the US knew that the russians would never be able to reach the moon as the government had complete control over its movements but they also knew that their chances were no better so they staged the landing to stop the russians attempts to reach the moon.
This theory then pretty much follows all of those signs on the picture of it being staged.
Have you ever heard of something called Gravity? And also, why do civilizations before America even existed make references to the moon and planets?