The 35th President of the United States of America John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, USA at 12:30 […]
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we will never know the truth to what happened to jfk or anyone that tried to find out and i think thats what really happened to jfk jr he was close to finding out the truth and the plane crash was a cover up.
here is a comment from the nal regarding a video he posted by dale myers .
“Watch this. How people can still think it was a conspiracy is beyond me. Some people think Oswald had nothing to do with it?!! So so ignorant and stupid.”
the truth is a little different the nal and dale myers knows it ,have a look at these videos .
i would advise people who really want to learn the truth about this case to watch documentaries like evidence of revision instead of the dale myers videos.
What credentials does this Bob Harris have anyway. Rather then put his spin on what Dale Myers did wrong why don’t he just show what really happened. That’s right because no one in their right mind could possibly believe that much fantasy. Go to the Ford’ Museum in Detroit and look at the limousine yourself. Connally was sitting at a lower level and to the left of Kennedy because he was in a jump seat. He was not directly in front of Kennedy. The fact the Zapruder film shows that Kennedy and Connally reacted as the same time confirms they were hit by the same bullet. But no, conspiracy theorist will just say that it was perfect timing by two different snipers. Then I want to know where was the sniper located that hit Connally. Could not have been in front. How could a bullet entering Kennedy’s head leave an exit wound but a bullet hit is neck did not?
anyone looking at this case the photographs and film can see the problems ,myers has jfks knees all most touching the back of connallys chair and has jfk leaning forward and very close to connally .even with out playing the video i posted you can see the real distance between jfk and connally (not what myers depicts) and jfk never leaned forward in the manner myers depicts .
myers didnt do anything wrong as you put it (doing some thing wrong insinuates he accidentaly made an error )myers intentionaly is trying to mislead people and so in that case people need to ask them selves why he would do that .
the video also clearly shows that connallys jump seat was not 6 inches inboard as myers claimed but yes the jump seat was a little lower than jfks seat but again even without playing the video you can see that connally a big man (who is leaning leftward)if sat up straight would not be noticeably lower than jfk .
the z film shosw jfk with his hands up by his throath area and connally is non reactive (this shows that connally cant have been hit in the back have a rib shattered and have the bullet shatter his wrist and lodge in his leg )connally himself said he was not hit by the same shot as jfk
ce399 (the magic bullet) didnt/couldnt have caused all of the wounds to jfk and connally this means atleast one more shot was fired one more than oswald could have fired so if oswald was the assassin he wasnt alone and that at the very least means a conspiracy .i base that on many things the first being that doctor shaw said the bullet that hit connally in the left leg was still in the leg
testimony given to the warren commision also asserts that ce399 couldnt have caused all the wounds to jfk and connally (specificly the wrist wound)
Mr. SPECTER. Now looking at that bullet, Exhibit 399, Doctor Humes, could that bullet have gone through or been any part of the fragment passing through President Kennedy’s head in Exhibit No. 388?
Commander HUMES. I do not believe so, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And could that missile have made the wound on Governor Connally’s right wrist?
Commander HUMES. I think that that is most unlikely … The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missile could have inflicted either of these wounds is that this missile is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.
Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Humes, under your opinion which you have just given us, what effect, if any, would that have on whether this bullet, 399, could have been the one to lodge in Governor Connally’s thigh?
Commander HUMES. I think that extremely unlikely. The reports, again Exhibit 392 from Parkland, tell of an entrance wound on the lower midthigh of the Governor, and X-rays taken there are described as showing metallic fragments in the bone, which apparently by this report were not removed and are still present in Governor Connally’s thigh. I can’t conceive of where they came from this missile.
Representative FORD. The missile identified as Exhibit 399.
Commander HUMES. 399, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And could it [CE 399] have been the bullet which inflicted the wound on Governor Connally’s right wrist?
Colonel FINCK. No; for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Frazier, is it possible for the fragments identified in Commission Exhibit 840 to have come from the whole bullet heretofore identified as Commission Exhibit 399?
Mr. FRAZIER. I would say that based on weight it would be highly improbable that that much weight could have come from the base of that bullet since its present weight is–its weight when I first received it was 158.6 grains.
Mr. SPECTER. Referring now to 399.
Mr. FRAZIER. Exhibit 399, and its original normal weight would be 160 to 161 grains, and those three metal fragments had a total of 2.1 grains as I recall–2.3 grains. So it is possible but not likely since there is only a very small part of the core of the bullet 399 missing.
Mr. SPECTER: What is your opinion as to whether bullet 399 could have inflicted all of the wounds on the Governor, then, without respect at this point to the wound of the President’s neck?
Dr. SHAW. I feel that there would be some difficulty in explaining all of the wounds as being inflicted by bullet Exhibit 399 without causing more in the way of loss of substance to the bullet or deformation of the bullet. (Discussion off the record.)
Mr. SPECTER. So then the lesser damage on the Governor’s wrist in and of itself indicates in your opinion—-
Dr. OLIVIER. That it wasn’t struck by a pristine bullet; yes.
Mr. PURDY: Dr. Wecht, is it your opinion that no bullet could have caused all of the wounds to President Kennedy and Governor Connally or the Commission exhibit 399 could not have caused all of the wounds to both men?
Dr. WECHT: Based upon the findings in this case, it is my opinion that no bullet could have caused all these wounds, not only 399 but no other bullet that we know about or any fragment of any bullet that we know about in this case.
Dr. BADEN: [After asking for and receiving the above wrist X-ray of Governor Connally] The wrist was explored and operated on, and recovered from the wrist was some cloth fabric which matched the jacket of Connally. Thank you. And the largest of those metal fragments, I think there are three fragments that are visible from this distance, overlay the distal radius near the wrist – the largest of those three fragments was removed by the surgeons in the course of their operation and preserved, kept at the Archives and made available to the committee many years later.
Mr. FITHIAN: The other fragments were not removed?
fragments of bullet were taken out of connallys wrist but other fragments were left in the wrist as well as a large fragment left in the left leg .dr baden confirms this
Dr. BADEN: The other fragments were not removed and are still present as demonstrated on subsequent X-rays available to the committee when the Governor’s arm was healing.
if you have a problem with mr harris i suggest you take it up with him ,but as you see i dont rely on anyones spin (as you say) i do my own research .
There had to be more than on shooter. Oswald was not a skilled sharpshooter and from the angle he was at and the speed and trajectory of the car, he would not have been able to shoot the president. Even skilled marksman have a hard time hitting it from that angle and trajectory. Plus, lets say Oswald was alone, why would Jack Ruby (who it is thought to have been a friend of Oswalds) would shoot him? If there was no conspiracy why would an associate shoot Oswald? Why would the government try to cover things up? Look at photos from the assassination, and the crime scene, they fixed some of the pictures, and the evidence just doesn’t fit… Research it out before just saying what you think it is…
Where does everyone get their information from about Oswald? The Oliver Stone movie? Do some research. He was a decent shot. The fact that he wasn’t successful in one shot sort of supports the fact that he was the shooter if you think about it. Maybe your argument would hold water if he only took one shot and was successful. That might have been hard to believe.
How can anyone not think this is a conspiracy? One shot was fired from behind, and another from the front. Even if they tell you both were fired from the back. (Just saying that from my knowledge atleast 2 bullets were fired.) The first one, Lee’s bullet, was shot from behind and hit kennedy in the leg, the other, unknown shooter, was shot from the front, how could a bullet from behind make the brain matter go backwards on the trunk and send his head flying the way the bullet came!? This is a whole conspiracy and I plan on getting to the bottom of it.
You need to to look at the film and still more closely. Follow this logic:Why do conspiracy theorists always have to twist facts and say unsubstanitated things to get a point across. One theorist, Robert Groden is still peddling his fiction in Dallas. I, for curiousities sake purchase both a DVD and a magazine. What I find funny is that both offer proof against his own theory. Both show diffenent frames of the fatal head shot. Zapruder 313 clearly shows a halo of brain matter and blood in the front of Kennedy’s face. At this time it completely blocks the face of Mrs. Kennedy. In this same still, one can also see a steam of brain matter and blood shoot up in the air above and angled in front of Kennedy. If he was shot in the front this simply wouldn’t have been the case. Both Connallys even say in an interview that they were covered in brain matter. This halo of brain matter and blood, the stream of brain matter and blood above and in front of Kennedy as well as the testimony of the Connallys show Kennedy was shot from the rear and the forementioned results were from an exit wound. I am really surprised that I haven’t ever seen this explanation. It seems pretty obvious to me. And for those who who say that Kennedy throat wound was caused from a shot from the front, then where did it exit? Why wasn’t anyone trailing him (either in other cars or motorcyles hit? And for all those who say he was shot in front from the grassy knoll must have never visited Dealy Plaza. The picket fence is only around 20 feet to the right (facing outward) from where Zapruder was standing. If this was the case then the bullet that struck Kennedy (if it was shot from here) would have had to exited out the other side of his head. But I have yet to hear anyone say anything about him missing any part of the left side of his head.
Alright based on one fact, the possibility of Oswald being the lone shooter, is eliminated, and therefore, by definition this is a conspiracy, don’t know who else was in it Oswald definitely in it, probably as both a shooter and the guy who would take all the blame. Now you are all wondering what this fact is, well the cart wasn’t going faster than ten miles an hour, so a shot from back wouldn’t have had a backwards splatter of brain.
you are all crazy nerds. If you’re going to sread rumors that everyone knows are false then you should have fun with it. Here’s a conspiracy for you.
John F. Kennedy never died. It was all staged because to many people thought he was having an affair with Maralyn Monroe and the government didn’t want to deal with such a big problem.(as if war isn’t a big enough problem). So any ways, that wasn’t him, it was a fake. All they wanted to do was wipe JFK off the face of the Earth.
you say we are crazy nerds but you didnt post one single piece of info that you think proves oswald was guilty and any info that shows we are wrong .an intelligent comment atleast shows a person has tried to do some research in this case .and also a person who has researched the case can provide evidence to back up their comments ,that says a lot about your comment doesnt it .
Marilyn Monroe was already dead.
that is bullshit watch the video real close there r 3 guys an 3 bullits
if you guys dont want to discuss the case and the evidence why not go elsewhere ,dereck there was blood and brain tissue all over the car from back to front and there was a breeze that afternoon so people having blood on them is no real indication of the direction of the shots . the motorcyle officer to jfks rear left was splattered with blood and brain tissue and a piece of jfks skull was found on the grass on the south side of elm street this is known as the harper fragment .
“On Saturday November 23, 1963 a fragment of bone was found in Dealey Plaza on the South side of Elm St. in the grass by a medical student, Billy Harper, who gave it to his uncle Jack Harper, who then gave it to a Dr. Cairns, Chief of Pathology at Methodist Hospital near Dallas, Texas.”
how does a shot from behind striking someone in the lower right rear of the head an exit from the right side of the head (in the temple area )end up on the grass on the south side of elm street which would behind jfk and to his left as his limo drove down elm street ?.
I made reference to the fact that the halo of blood and brain matter was in front of his face, and that a stream (not wind induced) of blood and brain matter angled upward and forward from where Kennedy was sitting. If he was shot from in front and the exit wound was behind, the blood and brain matter would have shot out the back of his head causing a stream to go backward with the halo of blood and brain matter at the back of his head. Obviously, with this being shot up in the air and the limousine still moving forward, the back of it would also be covered. As you state, the skull fragment wasnt found until the next day. There are a lot of explanations that could account for that which don’t deal with a conspiracy.
First, have you ever thrown an object in a car while you were moving. It come right back to your hand because your hand is moving at the same speed as the car in which you are driving. But in a convertible, once you get above the top of the car, that which is propelled upward will end up behind the car because the car will continue to move but which is above the top of the car will slow down in comparison to the vehicle. Your explanation still doesn’t explain what you can clearly see in photos and the Zapruter film. Brain matter and blood is propelled in a forward stream in front of the President. That which stay below the top of the car covered the Connally’s. The part that got above the car would then fall on the back of the car or even beyond the back of the car since the car continued to move. I guess we just need to agree to disagree. It doesn’t seem fair that everyone’s evidence that Kennedy was shot from in front was because of the “back and to the left movement” of his head. But then you can see from slow mo of film that his head actually went forward first, and that blood and brain matter was shot forward in front of the President (the exit wound) thus establishing a shot from behind, but someone this evidence is flawed. Then there is this crap about the positions of Kennedy to Gov. Connally in the car. If you argue that Connally was sitting inboard the President and lower thus making them line up appropriately to be shot from the Depository then the “Magic Bullet Theory” is brought up. I suppose you could argue what the bullet looked like, but you can’t argue that this alignment wouldn’t have made it possible. Computer recreations have shown that it is plausible. But I have read too many accounts that say Connnally was sitting in front of Pres. Kennedy. But this then weakens the argument that Connally was struck by a different bullet. How would it be possible for Connally to have even gotten hit if the President was sitting directly behind him? There wouldn’t have been a clear path to Connally without going through the President. Rather than trying to debunk things that do not need debunk, try to offer a alternate theory to account for all the injuries. But be specific. Explain how it is possible for Connally to get hit from behind and the bullet(s) not hit the President. Don’t come up with adecdotal evidence about wind and such. Explain how blood and brain matter be propelled forward, it the President was struck from in front and the exit wound was in the back. Plus, conspiracy theorist say the Warren Commission did a horrible job investigating it, yet much of your timeline comes from what was reported by the Warren Commission, including your script of some of the police interviews. Once again, conspiracy theorists will just pick and chose which things to accept and which to say were fabricated. Now, personally, I do think there was a conspiracy, but I feel that Oswald was still the shooter and only shooter.
“(the exit wound) thus establishing a shot from behind”
really based on what evidence ? your say so it seems .
have you ever heard of Charles brehm ? have ou ever heard of the harper fragment ?. well the harper fragment (a piece of jfks skull)was found on the grass on the south side of elm street ( the large grassy area near where mary moormon stood or to jfk and jackies left rear )the day after the assassination .
and on 22/11/63 Charles brehm stood by his own words about 15 feet feet to jfks left rear at the time of the head shot in fact looking at the film he was further behind , and what happened ? a piece of jfks skull landed near the curb by his feet .
“try to offer a alternate theory”
ive not offered any theory ive offered fact as I did above , the only theory offered was by you . so I suggest that before you ask me for an alternative when I haven’t offered any theory I first suggest that you learn about the evidence I presented and then respond to it accordingly .
and by the way and again what I say or said is fact , not once in your essay did you say pio was wrong ,not once did you say pio was incorrect ,not once did you say pio was lying ,you tried to cast doubt but never once showed me to be wrong with any proof /facts or evidence . I accept you have an opinion but I wont say your opinion is wrong based on another opinion , either ill say I accept your right to an opinion or that your wrong and heres my evidence my proof as far as I see you’ve done neither .
I’m going to look it up. I thought there was a man who got some shrapnel in his chin and he was near the road just before the overpass.
Charles brehm was standing on elm street with his son at the time of the assassination . he was standing on the grass near the curb on the south side of elm street , that would be to jackies left as the limo went down elm street .
you can see brehm in the zapruder film , he is in the front of the babushka lady and he to the right of mary moormon and jean hill , jean is the lady in the bright red coat . as the limo first past brehm (I mean straight in front of him ) it was a lane away from him , brehm estimated about 15 feet away , but at the time of the head shot the limo had passed may and jean so brehm had to be at the very minimal 20 feet to jfks left rear at the time of the head shot but I know its a lot more , its easy to see the distance in the zapruder film.
but after the head shot a piece of jfks head landed near the curb where brehm was standing , which means the piece of jfks head flew a minimal of 20 feet backward and leftward . the depository was to the right rear so a shot from there cant have sent that piece of jfks head back into the curb where brehm was standing , that only leaves one option a shooter from the front .
to buttress that , there were two motorcycle officers to jfks left rear , both of them and their motorcycles were hit with blood etc . one of them bobby hargis said he was hit with that much force that he thought he had been hit himself , and remember hargis was at the left rear of the limo , lonenutters that is peoplewho say Oswald acted alone say the wind simply blew the blood into hargis face .when you look at the piece of jfks head that landed all those feet away and near brehm and add that to hargis statement of the force of the blood etc striking him I think the only conclusion is a frontal shot . so that was my point really in mentioning Charles brehm
“I’m going to look it up. I thought there was a man who got some shrapnel in his chin and he was near the road just before the overpass.”
ah I see what you mean margene the man who was standing under the overpass between main and commerce street was james tague . a bullet struck the curb near where he was standing , and either a fragment of bullet or a piece of concrete flew up and struck tague on the cheek .
tagues wounding gives an excellent look at the angle . lets say for argument Oswald fired that shot the natural angle for the bullet to travel took it over by james tague , yet the warren commission had two bullets supposedly fired from the same spot hitting the right rear of jfks head AND EXITING ON TEH RIGHT SIDE OF THE HEAD , they had a bullet hit jut to the right of jfks spine that they said hit no bone so it must then logicily keep going towards the left (in line with tague ) but that doesn’t happen the bullet comes out the CENTER of the neck and some how manages to hit connaly in his RIGHT arm pit area. reading the warren commission at times is like watching someone trying to fit a square box in a round hole .
It is simple to see that the JFK Assassination was a conspiracy. When I started studying it I was a housewife. I saw the Zapruder film that clearly shows the damage being done by the fatal head shot. Then I look at a picture in a book that the Warren Commission wants us to believe! There’s a so-called autopsy photo with the head intact. Better that they not shown us anything or told us anything than to lie to us. At first I thought they must be trying to protect us. Well, it is a little too late because they didn’t protect the President. Then when they saw what a bad job they did of protecting him, they failed to protect the suspect. Sooner or later Lee Harvey Oswald would have spilled his guts so its quite ironic he was shot in the gut. Let me remind you that General Walker was almost the victim of an assassination that was then unsolved. So you’d think Dallas would have known to take extra precautions. We have all seen the “Treason” picture that was all over the place. There was a picture of Ruby outside of where Oswald worked at the Depository that was made when the public came out to wave at the motorcade. For some reason they didn’t want us to see that. Now going from housewife to granny, I see the picture of the Harper Fragment. Strange but there’s no room for it in the official autopsy photos. It was found by a boy the day after the assassination. I have to remind myself that when it happened, I was two and a half years old. Many things have changed since then in LE. The problem with Oswald’s rifle is that he didn’t fire it. 2 girls who worked with him and were on the stairs didn’t see him come down. One is among the many witnesses that have been killed off. Lee Bowers was up in the train tower behind the grassy knoll. He saw 2 possible shooters and a puff of smoke behind the fence. For that he was in a car that other people saw being run off the road by a black car. So many witnesses have died under strange circumstances that the statistics are proof of a conspiracy. Statistics have no need to lie. Whenever ordinary people like me talk about the conspiracy we are labeled crazy. Okay, what if I am crazy. I am not so stupid I don’t understand pictures. Duh, the autopsy photos were fake. We saw the film. When educated people try to search for answers they are treated much the same way. Why can’t the people who accept the Warren Commission findings ever want to have a discussion that doesn’t involve ridicule? We have been bullied for 50 years. They may make the observation that Conspiracy Theories have become a cottage industry. They should expect that people who love their country and loved President Kennedy and his wife and children, respected the office, and believe in our freedoms would want the truth. The truth was that it was not only a conspiracy but a very vast one and one that a lot of people were involved in. I know that because of the number of dead witnesses. But it must have been okay for people who told the truth to be murdered. I know what its like to search for the truth and be threatened. I know what its like to attempt to do the work the government should have done for us. When they say books sell and movies sell, they can leave me out. They probably can leave you out too. I’m betting that you are reading this because you are like me, angry that we’ve been lied to. Once in awhile a miracle happens and I still have faith that God will intervene.
“It is simple to see that the JFK Assassination was a conspiracy. When I started studying it I was a housewife. I saw the Zapruder film that clearly shows the damage being done by the fatal head shot. Then I look at a picture in a book that the Warren Commission wants us to believe! There’s a so-called autopsy photo with the head intact.”
you make some very good points margene . there was very obviously a large wound on the right rear of jfks head that is not seen in the autopsy photos , they had all the parkland nurses and doctors (one was a neurosurgeon) who saw it , clint hill saw it (he is the secret service agent that jumped on the back of limo )witnesses at the autopsy at Bethesda saw it including fbi agents and atleast two moticians saw it , and the warren commission lied and said the parkland staff were mistaken . the hsca were even worse ,they spoke to all the autopsy witnesses and got testimony from them , some of the witnesses including fbi told the hsca about the large hole , they even drew pictures of it for the hsca , the hsca lied and said all Bethesda witnesses CONTRADICTED the parkland witness and that there was no right rear wound . they then sealed away the testimonies for 50 years , but thankfully the arrb released them in the 90s and we now know the hsca LIED .
if we believe the witnesses theres no other conclussion that can be reached other than the autopsy photos must have been tampered with . they said the autopsy photos are genuine but of course they would wouldn’t they , the question people have to ask them selves is this , if they lied about the head wound and the witnesses how do we know they told the truth about the autopsy photos ? . the head wound lie is big enough that we should seriously doubt what they said about the photos .
“General Walker was almost the victim of an assassination that was then unsolved. So you’d think Dallas would have known to take extra precautions. We have all seen the “Treason” picture that was all over the place.”
yes they should have taken every precaution but that never happened sadly . but the walker shooting was used as a means for the warren commission to say look Oswald had a propensity for violence , but the truth is theres actually no evidence linking Oswald to that shooting other than the word of marina and we know she told lots of lies , the warren commission and the hsca acknowledge that , so its unbelievable then that they wheeled her out and took her testimony knowing she was indeed lying a lot .
“There was a picture of Ruby outside of where Oswald worked at the Depository that was made when the public came out to wave at the motorcade”
there was a guy caught on film and photo that did resemble ruby but it wasn’t ruby , ruby mat or may not have been in dealy plaza but that guy in the film wasn’t Oswald but he did look a lot like him .
“The problem with Oswald’s rifle is that he didn’t fire it. 2 girls who worked with him and were on the stairs didn’t see him come down. One is among the many witnesses that have been killed off.”
that’s an excellent point . there were 4 ladies on the 4th floor looking out of the window hoping to see jfk . one was elsie dorman (she actually filmed the motorcade but sadly didn’t work the camera very well )and there was Sandra styles and Victoria adams , but there was a fourth lady . styles and adams watched as the motorcade passed and the shots rang out , no more than about 30 seconds after the shots they ran to the stairs opening with the fourth lady who was Dorothy garner . styles and adams ran down all the stairs and went out the back and over to the railway yard .as you correctly point out they never saw Oswald on the stairs , but the warren commission conducted time trials and it took their guy some 40 seconds just to get off the 6th floor and they speeded up the test . so its unlikely Oswald could have gone down the 4th floor stairs before styles and adams which means he could really only go down afterwards .
this is where the warren commission had a problem that they solved by ignoring it . the fourth lady Dorothy garner was at the 4th floor stairs opening with styles and adams and she watched them go down , she stayed there near the door to the stairs and Oswald never passed her . lonenutters that’s people who say Oswald did it alone say miss garner was mistaken , they say admams and styles didn’t go down stairs for atleast 10 minutes and so they wouldn’t have seen Oswald . but that’s nonsense , firstly because its based on testimony of lovlady and shelly who simply said they recalled seeing them , sure they did they saw them when all the staff were returning to the building about 10 minutes after the shots . but lonenutters say no shelly and ovelady were returning and they saw the girls leaving the building , but thast patently false and very easily proven wrong , and its the fourth lady Dorothy garner along with officer baker who prove it false . baker said he ran into the building and encountered Oswald on the 2nd floor a maximum of 90 seconds after the shots .it takes about 8 to 10 seconds to go up a flight of stairs and lets say being conservative that bakers encounter with Oswald lasted 20 seconds . now back to miss garner , she said in her statement the girls ran down stairs and she stayed near the stairs door and watched baker and truly come out of it but never saw Oswald go down , that can at most be 40 seconds after the Oswald encounter so that’s about 2 minutes after the shooting , so this proves lone nutters ae wrong that the girls did run down stairs when they said they did . but lonenutters don’t stop there they say miss garner was mistaken , that she saw baker and truly going back down stairs 10 to 15 minutes after the shooting not coming up stairs 2 minutes after . well again officer baker proves this a lie , why ? because officer baker testified that ran upstairs with mr truly but that when he came back down later on he came down in the elevator AND THAT HE NEVER LEFT THE ELEVATOR . this can mean only two things , either Oswald went down that stairs in under 30 seconds just before the girls did (which doesn’t seem possible considering the warren commissions own time trials ) or he didn’t go down at all meaning he was downstairs all the time where all witnesses place him .
“Lee Bowers was up in the train tower behind the grassy knoll. He saw 2 possible shooters and a puff of smoke behind the fence”
another excellent point . bowers tried in testimony to tell the warren commission what happened and what he saw . when tried to tell them about the shots he heard he was cut off and told HE WASNT A BALLISTIC EXPERT but then he never said he was all he was doing was saying the shots I heard were like this BOOM BOOM BOOM meaning shot 2 and 3 were very close together faster than Oswald could shoot . he tried to tell them what he saw near the fence as the limo passed it but the warren commison again cut him off , they wanted to hear it .
a few years later he spoke with mark lane on camera , lane said mr bowers reading your testimony it seems you were trying to say some thing but you were cut off , bowers said that’s right , lane asked what he would have said and bowers replied that he saw a flash of light or puff of smoke (that other witnesses saw) and that he thought some thing had happened in that area , what that was he wasn’t quite sure , but people who knew bowers well said he knew more than he said , I guess id have been scared aswell .
If it is too hard to believe that one bullet could cause all the wounds that it did (trajectory) and still remain pristine, then how could one bullet have caused all the wounds to Gov. Connally. I have never read anything that makes mention of all the bones it stuck in Kennedy first. I could be wrong so a clarification would be helpful. I guess what I was getting at is if the bullet merely made soft tissue wounds (grazing bone and cartilege)to Kennedy that what is to say that all of a sudden it couldn’t make those wounds to Connally. Connally himself (well, I guess his wife) said that all his wounds were from the same bullet. We just can’t pick and choose what to believe can we? If so, here is one. How do they know the wounds weren’t caused at the same time. Maybe the pain of getting shot didn’t occur right away. She even goes on to say that they didn’t hear the second shot (the one that was suppose to only hit Connally after Kennedy was already stuck). Her reasoning, you don’t hear the shot that hits you. Why scientific phenomena is this?
“I have never read anything that makes mention of all the bones it stuck in Kennedy first. I could be wrong so a clarification would be helpful”
I suggest you learn about what connaly and his wife said , which was connaly was not struck by the same bullet that hit jfk , if your going to argue facts atleast know the facts first . and also the warren commission stated that the bullet ce399 struck no bones in jfks body at all .
im not picking and choosing what to believe im talking about proven facts ,nor am I talking about things ive not researched , but clearly you cant say the same . your saying im wrong im mistaken when you clearly don’t the evidence here , I would afford you a lot more respect whether you deserved it or not .
And going back to my previous statement that Mrs. Connally said; she wasn’t hit, why didn’t she hear the shot. She heard the first shot (which she said she didn’t recognize as a shot) but not the second which hit her husband. Maybe it was because they were hit by the same shot. So what building did Connally’s wounds come from. He was obviously shot from behind. Couldn’t have been from the Schoolbook Depository. Everyone was suppposedly accounted for. I suppose Oswald, having nothing to do with it just decided to go home immediately after it happened because he was so shook up. Then with all his grief, he ends up going to a movie theatre. At this point he pulls a gun on policeman who are there to apprehend him. But what lead the police there? Just other eyewitnesses that put Oswald in the area at the time. The last ones seeing him enter the theater. These actions sound like the actions of an innocent man. I too, have read the Warren Commission Report and I fail to see where you get your information. There were plenty of witnesses who put Oswald in and around the vicinity of the Tippit murder. They include:Helen Markham, the only who woman who witnessed the slaying whose testimony was inconsistent; Dominic Benavides who made radio transmission on Tippets radio around 1:15; Barbara and Virgina Davis who saw Oswald turn the corner after the shooting and Ted Callaway, Sam Guinyard, Warren Reynolds and Pat Patterson who all identified Oswald being the person fleeing the area. To use the fact that a witness or two makes it seem impossible for the timeline to fit is convenient. But why is it not possible that they erred with the exact time. Because that couldn’t have happened but yet all the other witnesses that I mentioned were mistaken that it was Oswald that they saw? That is what one has to do in order for this conspiracy thing to work. Believe only what they want to believe, those things which might make their interpretation see plausible, but then at the same time, have to dismiss any other witness or fact as being incorrect. How do you positively know what time it was when Oswald left his rooming house? Did he tell you? You say you have investigated it. Have you yourself tried to walk from his rooming house to the corner of 10th and Patton. Well, I have. I am not in very good shape but I made it in under 15 minutes. Who is to say he walked the whole way. I know a person is innocent until proven guilty and had he went to trial he wouldn’t have had to testify, but you try to explain his behavior. Who carries a gun to a movie theater? But I suppose this gun is just a rumor too.
tippit killing for me has a lot of questions which need answering ,you mentioned helen markham and domingo benavides but benavides did not identify oswald as the man who shot tippit , .as for helen markham she told the warren commission she didnt recognise any of the 4 men she was shown in a poilce line up
Mr. BALL. Now when you went into the room you looked these people over, these four men? (one of which was oswald )
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody–I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no. (she said the killer was stood right in fron of her )
Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn’t know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn’t know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
so markham who while standing on the corner of tenth and patton with her hands covering her face said she dropped her hands down and the killer was stood right in front of her (supposedly this man was oswald )yet when she was brought to the line up she did not recognise oswald as the man she saw .
to add to her not recognising oswald as tippits killer she gave two discriptions that could not be oswald ,she told mark lane this
LANE. But, well, just, could you just give me one moment and tell me. I read that you told some of the reporters that he was short, stocky, and had bushy hair.
MARKHAM. No, no. I did not say this.
LANE. You did not say that?
MARKHAM. No, sir.
LANE. Well, would you say that he was stocky?
MARKHAM. Uh, he was short.
LANE. He was short.
LANE. And was he a little bit on the heavy side?
MARKHAM. Uh, not too heavy.
LANE. Not too heavy, but slightly heavy?
MARKHAM. Oh, well, he was, no he wasn’t, didn’t look too heavy, uh-uh.
LANE. He wasn’t too heavy, and would you say that he had rather bushy hair, kind of hair?
MARKHAM. Yes, just a little bit bushy, uh huh.
LANE. It was a little bit bushy.
so by markhams reckoning the shooter was short (oswald was 5.10 to 5.11 so couldnt be classed as short) an he certainly wasnt even slightly heavy ,and his hair was short and receeding not bushy . she told agent odum the killer looked like he was about 18 and had dark hair ,again clearly not oswald but its interesting one of the davis girls said the person she saw in her yard throwing away shells was a boy .
when markham was shown the light tan coat she said the coat worn by the killer was darker ,by the way the davis girls told the commission the killer wore a dark or black coat ,another witness who saw tippit being shot was frank wright and he said the killer wore a black coat .
Mr. BALL. I have here an exhibit, Commission Exhibit 162, a jacket. Did you ever see this before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No; I did not.
Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. but that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don’t think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was. At that moment I was so excited–
to add to that domingo benevides was shown the wrong coat by the warren commision (he was shown a dark coat ce163)and he said that it looked like the coat the killer wore .
the shells found matched the revolver oswald was carrying but the chain of evidence was broken ,the shells were marked by officer poe (poe scratched his initials on them )these initials are not on the shells in the archive .the bullets taken from tippits body were tested by the fbi ,fraizer the fbi expert said there wasnt enough evidence (markings on the bullets ) to match them with oswalds gun so he refused to say they were fired from oswalds gun ,this was a problem so the comission brought in another expert who said he found a few markings on one bullet ,so we have contradictory evidence in regard the bullets .
in order for oswald to have killed tippit he had to have had time to get to tenth and patton ,the comission would have us believe oswald came home at 1.00pm and grabbed his coat and gun and left immediately . so what really happened ? ,cab driver william whalley said he drove oswald in his cab and dropped him off a few blocks from his rooming house at about 12.58 (by the way he said oswald was wearing a faded blue coat )it would have taken oswald a few minutes to have walked from where he was dropped to his rooming house ,so we have arrived at 1.00 maybe a minute or two later .
earlene roberts landlady said oswald came home at 1.00pm maybe a little later
Mr. BALL. Can you tell me what time it was approximately that Oswald came in?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o’clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn’t want to say because
Mr. Ball.. How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.
so whalley and roberts independently said it was around the 1.00 time.
so oswald came home at 1.00 (maybe a little after )roberts estimated he stayed in his room 3 to 4 minutes , what was he doing in his room (he was doing more than getting a gun ) he told captain fritz he changed his britches and his (the warren commision dont mention this as it means oswald has even less time to make it to tenth and patton )while oswald is in his room mrs roberts heard a car horn
“She said next a Dallas police car pulled
up in front of her house and honked. She explained:
“I had worked for some policemen and sometimes they come by…I just
glanced out saw the number (on the car)…It wasn’t the police car I
knew…and I ignored it….”
She said the police car was directly in front of her home when the driver
sounded the horn, like “tit-tit.” She said the car then “…just eased
on…and they just went around the corner that way.” According to Roberts,
there were two uniformed policemen in the car, most unusual since daytime
patrols in that area of the city were limited to one officer – such as
Tippit. She could not recall the number of the car precisely, but said
she recalled that the first two numbers of a possible three-digit
combination were a “1” and a “0.” Tippit was driving car No. 10 that day
and Tippit failed to respond to a dispatcher call at the approximate time
of the police car incident.
Immediately following the police car episode, Roberts said Oswald came out
of his room and left hurriedly, zipping up a jacket.”
so now oswald is leaving the rooming house some time around 1.03 to 1.04 (what happens next )mrs roberts says a moment later i went to the window and looked out and saw oswald standing at the bus stop (ill let people decide for them selves how long a moment is ,but i think this is anywhere from 1 to 2 minutes after oswald left )this means oswald was last seen standing at the bus stop outside his rooming house (the bus that stopped there was heading in the opposite direction to where tippit was killed ,in fact it was heading in the direction of the texas theatre)at some time between 1.04 and 1.06 .The
Commission timed the walk from 1026 N. Beckley to Tenth and Patton at about
fifteen minutes. (The House Select Committee would later say it would take a
brisk 14 minutes, 30 seconds.)so at the brisk pace of 14 minutes 30 seconds oswald would only have been arriving at between 1.19 and 1.21 . 1.19 is to late for oswald to be tippits killer (how do we know this ) because t f bowley arrived at tenth and patton and saw tippit dead (he looked at his watch it said 1.10) and domingo benevides trying to operate tippits police radio .but before this benavides had hid in his truck untill he felt safe to leave (he then went to help tippit ) and then decided to try and call for help on the police radio (he had difficulty working the radio ) then bowley arrives at 1.10 and helps him . the warren commision said bowleys call was at 1.16 (the evidence says otherwise ) but lets say they are correct that still doesnt give oswald enough time (remember tippit was lying dead a few minutes and benavides hid in his truck untill he felt safe to leave it before bowley arrived and made the call) if bowley made the call at 1.16 and tippit was dead 3 or 4 minutes by that time that puts the time of the killing at 1.12 to 1.13 ,by the commissions own timing oswald couldnt have walked there in less than 14 and a half minutes (at a brisk pace )if oswald had left his rooming house at 1.00 it would have been just short of 1.15 when he arrived (this again is to late to have killed tippit) but we must not forget oswald only arrived home at 1.00 (so couldnt have been laeving at that time ) and spent some 3 to 4 minutes in his room leaving at about 1.03 to 1.04 ,a moment later mrs roberts goes to her window and sees oswald still stood at the bus stop . for me which ever way you break it down oswald hadnt the time ,he couldnt have walked (even briskly ) and got there in time .
you can say that the witnesses may have have been wrong about the time but if that were the case you would think they would all give very different times but this is not the case .
willam whalley the cab driver who drove oswald and earlene roberts his landlady independently gave a time of about 1.00pm ,whalley dropping oswald off a few blocks from his rooming house at 12.58 and roberts saying he arrived home at 1.00 or a little later ,the time roberts says oswald came home is consistant with the distance he had to walk from where whalley dropped him off and his rooming house .
jeannette davis in her sworn affidavit said she heard shots shortly after 1.00 ,sam guinyard said he heard shots about 1.00 ,ted calloway said he was working and at 1.00 he heard shots .thats another 3 people independently giving the same time of 1.00 or just after ,roger craig and helen markham independently gave a time of about 1.06 .
craig said while on the 6th floor of the book depository an officer came up and said a police oficer has been shot in oakcliff (you have to factor in the time it took the officer between getting the report of the officer being shot and leaving the command center and arriving on the 6th floor ,so again this is consistant with a time of 1.00 and slightly after for the shooting .
markham left home at 1.00 and was going to get her bus which left at 1.12 (this was her regular walk to the bus to go to work )she said she had walkeda few blocks when she saw the officer being shot ,she estimated the time as about 1.06 ,again this is consistent with tippit being killed at a time just after 1.00 .
hugh aynesworth is the only reporter in the United States to have been at all four major scenes (the assassination, the Tippit killing immediately after, the arrest of Oswald in the Texas Theater, and the murder of Oswald in the police basement). When I praised Mr. Aynesworth for this and suggested that perhaps he should have been considered for the Pulitzer Prize (rather than Mr. [Merriman] Smith whom Mr. Aynesworth claims does not deserve the prize as another Dallas reporter did all his, Smith’s, writing for him), Mr. Aynesworth modestly admitted to an oversight on the part of the committee, but continued to speak at great length over his four unique experiences. When I asked Mr. Aynesworth how and when he first heard about Tippit, he replied: “I was standing near the Texas Book Building, all the other reporters had gone to Parkland (Hospital), but I felt a story was breaking near the building, when I heard a squad radio blast out that a policeman had been shot in Oak Cliff. This was around one o’clock. I ran to the car and went with it to Patton and Tenth. I had a hunch that the policeman’s murder was tied in with the assassination. I got to the Tenth Street area about 1:05, no later than 1:10 p.m. …” 
Years later, Aynesworth gave author Larry Sneed additional details.  He was at the police command post at the corner of Houston and Elm with Inspector Herbert Sawyer, Sgt. Calvin Owens, Sgt. Gerald Hill, Assistant District Attorney Bill Alexander, and news reporter Jim Ewell. As Gerald Hill urged Sawyer to get the crime lab over to the Texas School Book Depository, the police radio traffic was interrupted: “This is a citizen. A policeman’s been shot! He’s hurt pretty bad, I think!” The citizen then gave the location.
If Tippit was shot at precisely 1:00 p.m. and Aynesworth heard the unknown citizen’s call twoto three minutes later, then Craig’s time of 1:06 represents the time that it took for a messenger from the command post on the street to reach the search party on the sixth floor.
The unknown citizen’s call at 1:02 or 1:03 does not appear in the transcript of police radio messages. On the audio recording at precisely 1:02 there is 30 seconds of noise, indicating an erasure. About a minute later, at 1:03, the dispatcher attempted to reach Tippit and got no response.
After receiving the call, Hill, Alexander, and Owens promptly left for Oak Cliff. Aynesworth went with WFAA-TV newsmen Ron Reiland and Vic Robertson in the Channel 8 cruiser. Reiland drove the cruiser recklessly, making a lot of fast moves to pass other cars and barreling through intersections as fast as he could go, using an illegal flashing light accessory to warn other drivers. These details show how the three newsmen managed to reach the scene of the crime between 1:05 and 1:10. Aynesworth statement to Martin agrees with that of T.F. Bowley who arrived at the scene at about the same time. He noted the time as 1:10 on his watch.
now we have more people giving a time thats consistant with tippit being killed a little after 1.00 ,tippit in all likely hood was killed some time around 1.04 as the dispatcher called him at this time repeatedly he never answered the dispatcher at this time or after ,the reason sadly is that he had left his car and was being shot .at this time oswald was standing at the bus stop outside his rooming house over a mile and 15 minutes walk away .
I never said that I thought Oswald was completely innocent. I have to believe he is innocent until he is proven guilty in a court of law. He never made it to court. Now I am hearing that Jack Ruby was such a fan of President Kennedy and he wanted to save Mrs. Kennedy from having to sit through the trial. First of all who were the typical men who he did business with? Do you suppose he stood up and told them that the Bay of Pigs wasn’t Kennedy’s fault? If there were threats made against the President who was being accussed of “Treason” by the paper that was going around Dallas, don’t you think there might be some chatter at The Carosuel? Just the way he stalked out Oswald gives me suspicion. He was right outside the School Book Depository. Did not Mark Lane show that picture on t.v.? The Warren Commission didn’t want us to see it. Ruby knew Tippett. But that doesn’t surprise me because he knew a lot of Dallas police officers. Some people have said that he knew Oswald. So he was stalking Oswald before he shot him and the other reporters thought Ruby must be a reporter. He sure went to a lot of trouble to kill Oswald. I wonder so much if it weren’t out of desperation than nobility. I heard he did it because he knew he had cancer. But I’ve heard he got cancer while he was in jail. He asked them to move him to Washington, DC and he would talk more to them. So did they? No. And he was so desparate to die that he ran head long into the wall. That’s what I read. I’d be surprised if Mrs.Connally remembered everything just right after such a traumatic event. I also wonder how sound carries in that area. They weren’t even supposed to go that way but the parade route was changed and the newspaper reflected that last minute change. I’ve heard the Europeans knew Kennedy was dead before we did here in our own country. They held out telling us for over 20 minutes. That was the beginning of the way things were to be done in the future.
“Now I am hearing that Jack Ruby was such a fan of President Kennedy and he wanted to save Mrs. Kennedy from having to sit through the trial”
margene that’s another good point . ruby didn’t actually say that his lawyer invented it . you must remember that ruby murdered Oswald in clod blood in front of milllions of people , he was going to the electric chair . so the defence they used was a crime of passion ,that he saw Oswald and on impulse he killed him because he loved jfk so much but also to save Jackie a trial . but it was merely defence tactics , at the time (I don’t know about now) the law was that if you were only found guilty of a crime of passion that you would not get the electric chair and that’s what rubys lawyer was working on . so ruby had to say I was just passing by and popped my head in and saw that they were moving Oswald and on impulse I killed him . the trouble is that defence is nonsense , ruby was stalking Oswald all that weekend , he was filmed atleast twice in the police station feet from Oswald . so lonenutters would have us believe it was all just a gigantic stroke of luck , that ruby just happened to be passing by WITH A PISTOL IN HIS POCKET ) and decided to walk down the ramp and look in that basement to see what all the commotion was . but the fact that he was filmed atleast twice that weekend makes that notion a nonsense , and the officer minding the ramp said Oswald never went down that ramp , and he passed 3 lie detector tests to prove it .